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Post by DirtyDave » Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:27 pm

That is a common accurance guys, in all makes, don't know why thou???
i found out the hard way too... in my Valiant Days, Go the Mopars...
Rev check out Peter Michaels at P.M Engines 08 8349 7577. ive been told he knows his way around a V6, his Drag racing engines hold national records. + other ventures..

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Post by blownvn » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:16 pm

Actually the crank bolt pattern for a manual VN V6 Series-1 auto is different to the bolt pattern to the manual. Later engines went to an eight bolt crank that was the same pattern for auto and manual.

But there is a fix, CRS makes a flywheel for the VN V6 Series-1 that bolts up to the Auto crank allowing you to convert an auto to a manual. PN is FW32 I believe.

Got any other questions about early V6's? Mate I've been through most of it, I assembled my 11-second engine in the backyard.

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Post by Dr Goggles » Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:09 am

......Hmmm , they would wouldn't they .I'll be doing a little more research on what I've got .Why the F :twisted: :cry: :? are the bolt patterns different on the six bolts .So it seems the flywheel ive got on order will be useful for anything except mounting on the auto six bolt crank........back soon.
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Production design

Post by Reverend Hedgash » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:03 am

I had the same bloody problem with a fridge this week. I was trying to reverse the door of a F&P fridge that had all the right holes etc to do this except for one piece in the middle.

It would have only required a little more play with the design of the hinge to allow it to be fully reversable, but no. You have to shell out for a kit because of one part in about 16.

Where is the love of design? Where is the hot rod simpleness of using a single well presented bolt instead of five badly designed ones?

I am reminded of Mercedes using a powered side-window mover on the passenger side and a manual one on the driver's side because they can reach it easily. That was clever design. That is design that I can trust. That is design that brings about hope that we can make a better world.

I went to a seminar this week on Global Design. It involved Toyota, Holden and Edag (great name boys) designers and helped demystify somewhat the decision making process in the car industry today.

Without going into too many details, it is interesting to note that big players like Mercedes and GM outsourced their special versions of the M class (GL) and the Hummer (H2) to a firm such as Edag. It seems to smack of an inability internally to keep sharp that edge of design. (Not that I am a fan of either car...)

I am sure there is some production issue for the differing bolt patterns on the Commodore donk. What I am constantly fascinated by is the actual interchangeability of so many parts as it is due to economy of manufacturing processes.

Without this so much home car building would have been thwarted by untoward trickiness.

Dr Goggles and I were looking at the So-Cal specialist parts catalog and he commented that it was like a giant lego set, (an expensive lego set at that.)

To us the abilility to build a rat rod etc. out of those parts is missing the entire point of the game. To us it is the learning of what fits to what, maybe in a creative new way (our EH front axle stubs were reversed and upside down to work for our original front end design) and making what can't be found.

Like modern day punks who have the stereotypical look of a mohawk etc but no understanding of the challenge of stereotype that it was all about.

I'm rambling but I like talking about this stuff.

I'll go now.

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Post by ben james » Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:18 pm

wow that was deep. anyway dik check out fridays herald sun cars guide, big double page salt story.
the bolt patterns different cause it's a piece of shit holden motor.
lots of love
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Huh!

Post by Dr Goggles » Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:16 pm

....did someone say something? :lol:
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Post by DirtyDave » Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:03 pm

When selecting your engine, first it must have a centre spark plug,
GO MOPARS & SUZUKI's.... :idea: Nitromethane and black belts that drive things that go shwoooozzzz, shwooooozzz,

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Post by Mopar Man » Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:13 pm

have to agree with ya Dave, GO MOPARS! Why do ya waste yas time with Holden togethers?? :lol:

Now that belly tank would be grouse with a small block mopar or hemi 6, Rev & Goggles :D
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Post by blownvn » Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:05 pm

Mopar Man wrote:have to agree with ya Dave, GO MOPARS! Why do ya waste yas time with Holden togethers?? :lol:

Now that belly tank would be grouse with a small block mopar or hemi 6, Rev & Goggles :D


Nah, go a slant six. :)

That's what I'm using for my VF Ute i'm building, I want to run E/UTE naturally aspirated and C/UTE with the blower.

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Post by DirtyDave » Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:19 pm

gess guys you getting me all sentimental,
Blownv6 there was a 300 cub slant made in canada, not sure but think it was crank n rods to convert,
dodge ambulances had them :roll:
a mate was thinkin of bringing his real nice VC up but i talked him out of it, lookin for a gunca to chuck his motor in now.

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Post by Stayt`ie » Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:48 am

what`s a gunca :?: , here in the north valiants are affectionatly refered to as "grunter`s" 8) ,,,, like me grunters :D
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Hearin' things

Post by Dr Goggles » Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:11 am

.........I must be delirious with salt fever 'cause I could've sworn I heard someone say something........

BTW: I had a gunca once , it's nothing a bit of penicillin can't fix . :wink:
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Re: Hearin' things

Post by Mopar Man » Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:54 pm

They're the voices in ya head James, sayin "get myself a Hemi!"
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Mopin' along

Post by Dr Goggles » Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:06 pm

.....ok,ok,ok,ko?.........I just saw The Worlds Fastest Indian ....it was fantastic my nephew who ain't even into cars liked it. Now you Chrysler throwbacks there was what appeared to be an R series wagon in one shot , that's somethin' to dice your onions over !!! :lol: ...

Bought a flywheel for the V6 (just in case ANYONE'S interested) new today so I could satisfy my curiosity as to what the diff' is .Sorted .I either buy the adaptor from the Rod Shop or I get my trusty mate Vaughn to turn one up for me .The only reason , looking at it , that I can think it would be like it is would be because they knew they weren't gonna get rid of many manuals so they made the crank a special item with a larger boss to handle the shock of a clutch....and saved metal on the autos by leaving that bit off .From what I can measure the manual crank boss is about 19mm deeper and the bolt holes in the flywheel are on a 90mm diam' circle while the flex-plate holes are on a 50mm circle .I dropped the motor/bellhousing/g'box assembly into the bay and slid the yoke up it's a nice fit with about 40mm under the sump .

Bring it on.....

8)

...Oh BTW : I'd love to use a slant six but this thing is three feet high , not TEN :twisted:
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VSex

Post by Reverend Hedgash » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:48 pm

Dear Mopar Man (Mope),

We now have three engines for our project at virtually zero outlay, parts coming out of our orifaces and plenty of local knowledge on how to trick them.

If one does blow up, we merely stroll over to the cupboard, pull a fresh one out and slot her in.

We didn't want to have a short week at the salt due to a lack of spare parts...

Have you found one wedge or hemi for your project yet, hmmmm?

As my mother says, "Yo need Mo'money to get yo MoPar MoFo."

Bless,

Reverend H+

ps may have some progress on garage searching... shall let you know when I know more.
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