record breaking cars meeting class rules

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Rob
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Post by Rob » Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:58 pm

I feel I should also add that I have not chased up the info on the body kit/spoiler and doubtvery much that Max would be silly enough to not get things right.

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Rob
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Post by Rob » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:18 pm

Well that didn't take long at all.

Brock HDT VL used the spoiler, 500 units built http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/br ... roup_a.htm

and again through different eyes

VL Commodore SS Group A , 500 units built http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/br ... roup_a.htm

So I figure that one is put to bed, it certainly has for me.

The side skirts are similar to the VL SS Group A SV (Walkinshaw and 500 units (750 reported in some places) were produced there too though some took several years to sell according to online write ups.

My handshake and congrats stand. Well done Max.

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Rob
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Stovebolt
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Post by Stovebolt » Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:22 pm

Last year shen I was at El Mirage I saw a vehicle that was clearly in breach of the class regulations. It had run that way for several seasons with different owners.

When I met the guy in charge of records he said it had always run that way, and was unaware that it did not meet the rules.

I thought I'd let you in on the fact that even though they've been st it longer, the SCTA doesn't always get it right ! :)

no-one protested against that car either, so it was allowed to compete

sparky
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Post by sparky » Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:33 pm

Sorry guys I've been away for a couple of days.
Yes I am a member and have updated my profile.
I would like to thank all those that have sent me private messages and for their support. Many people feel they would be out cast for airing their views.

As to the postings by Rob 888. The rule book must be read as a whole. If you just followed the class rules (production), would you have a roll cage or a fire system etc. You must read the whole thing saftey, deffinitions and class rules etc.

6.4 Production Catagory (current extract from rules off DLRA website).
This catagory is intended to represent typical transportation vehicles, which may be purchased from ANY automobile dealer. 500 examles of the model must have been produced yearly. In keeping with this intent, the cars are arodynamically "stone stock" with no body parts allowed which were not part of the manufacturer's product for the series of the vehicle involved. The engine must have been avaliable inthe modle of vehicle used as purchased form ANY automobile dealer. Modified body, body panels, spoilers, air dams ,etc intended for, as accepted or sanctioned by NASCAR, NHRA, SCCA, IMSA ,etc are not permitted for use in this category unless specifically allowed.

The spirit and intent of the rules are, a typical transportation vehicle from any automobile dealer. Any Holden, Ford dealer etc not special vehicle dealerships HDT, HSV, SVO dealers!!
500 vehicles of the same model must have been produced yearly. Over four years of VL commodore production, only 500 SS Group A vehicles where released, two one offs and 38 others where released with the air dam and side skirts in question. For this body kit to be classified as production 2000 cars would have to been produced over the four years. (Spacific production numbers obtained from HDT).

Then we go to spacific body panels, spoilers, air dams etc, intended for, as accepted or sanctioned by NASCAR, NHRA, SCCA, IMSA, etc are not permitted for use in this catagory unless spacifically allowed. The big one here is the etc at the end of IMSA. Would a front air dam and side skirts homologated for Australian Touring Car Racing be covered by this etc? I believe in the spirit of the rules and its intent, it would fall into this catagory.

We must get back to the point that this is production catagory not designed for limited run homologated vehicles are limited run homologated parts.

For a bit of interest standard VL commodore drag co-efficiency is .43 and SS Group A is .32

turbo RB
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Post by turbo RB » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:32 pm

Dlra 635 John Dickinson

I’ ve raced HQ Holden’s , been a SA HQRA comity member , an assistant eligibility officer and assistant engine sealer

I’ve raced prepped and built HQ’s , formula 2’s , a R33 GTR Skyline drag car and a second out right Targa Tasmania R33 GTR Skyline

In 2008 I ran a Vl commodore G/BGC at the salt and hold a uncontested record in that class and am currently building a Vn commodre with a 6.0l Holden VE and will run that in C/GC

I work at Rhemac Motors , who hold the SA pre vehicle inspection and would be more than happy to do car eligibility at the lake

blownvn
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Post by blownvn » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:39 pm

turbo RB wrote:Dlra 635 John Dickinson

I’ ve raced HQ Holden’s , been a SA HQRA comity member , an assistant eligibility officer and assistant engine sealer

I’ve raced prepped and built HQ’s , formula 2’s , a R33 GTR Skyline drag car and a second out right Targa Tasmania R33 GTR Skyline

In 2008 I ran a Vl commodore G/BGC at the salt and hold a uncontested record in that class and am currently building a Vn commodre with a 6.0l Holden VE and will run that in C/GC

I work at Rhemac Motors , who hold the SA pre vehicle inspection and would be more than happy to do car eligibility at the lake
Classification Officer sounds like a good title :wink:

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Post by Rob » Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:22 pm

I think you're reading what you want into the rules Sparky.

The rules were written for the most part, in the US with the US in mind and adapted for us.

I can buy a 2011 model vehicle in the US today but in Australia it would be a 2010. Also from my understanding of what you have written, you want an '88 VL Commodore and an '89 VL Commodore to be treated as different models? I don't think that's in the spirit of the rules. The US tends toward year model designation/vehicle changes, we tend toward model letter codes.

Secondly, I can't buy a Holden at a Ford dealership so should that be invalid too? I can buy a HSV vehicle at any HSV dealer, I could buy a HDT vehicle at any HDT dealer. I think that portion of the rule was written to exclude one dealer optioned vehicles such as were (and may still be) available in the US (ie) the Yenko Camaro.

Ultimately my interpretation and your interpretation of the rules mean nothing, it's the club official's interpretation that matters. This discussion could go on in perpetuity but will change nothing. You need to put up the $100 March and follow the process through.

If you want to change the rules I believe you would need to put forward the change at the AGM though with the impending rulebook change to the current SCTA one I'd hold off for the moment.

I don't see why people should be scared to post their thoughts here, if they aren't prepared to speak up for what they believe in they have no right to complain when nothing changes. In other terms, "If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem". I understand some people are reluctant to post on the board though do not undertsand why.

Regarding a classification officer, I don't think the load should be placed upon any one person but rather, as the rules say, a technical committee, preferably of people racing in different classes for a spread of opinions and points of view.

Lastly, the seemingly necessary disclaimer that these are my own points of view, others may vary.

Cheers,
Rob
I owe, I owe, so off to work I go.

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