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Phase out of leaded fuel by September 2019.

Post by DLRA » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:40 pm

As we have previously warned the Minister for Environment will be phasing out leaded fuel exemptions in 2019.
We are currently working with suppliers to come up with as many replacement or alternative fuels as we can and will be talking to suppliers again in a months time.
I'd be interested to hear from any one who is still running leaded fuels in the DLRA GAS classes especially. What fuel are you running?
Good news, is at least one supplier can now offer and unleaded alternative for Avgas.
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Re: Phase out of leaded fuel by September 2019.

Post by momec3 » Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:44 pm

Hi Greg
I run VP fuels C14+ in our 300ci Windsor. It has 13.00:1 comp so this is beyond the range of avgas. I will be interested to see if we can come up with an unleaded that will comply in gas class and equal the performance of C14+.
The F100 being a pickup has no option but run in gas class.
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Re: Phase out of leaded fuel by September 2019.

Post by mal hewett » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:03 am

Hey Greg
Have been running Avgas in the Vincent for about 12 years. As with Chris and many others, I'm also very interested in the a alternatives for replacing Leaded . Alternative politicians may be a better solution.
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Re: Phase out of leaded fuel by September 2019.

Post by David Leikvold » Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:52 pm

No Fuel class for pickups doesn't make much sense, surely we could add the class for 2019 or 2020 when the leaded fuel is gone. By the way, I just noticed that the BP servo on Wood Street at Warwick can get 100 octane.

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Re: Phase out of leaded fuel by September 2019.

Post by momec3 » Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:44 pm

The point is comparing it to the equivalent SCTA class Dave. I am 5mph odd faster than them in D/PP and within 1/2mph in C/PP in our fat air. No one else here is running Pickup and there is no challenge in an open record if we 'create' another class.
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Re: Phase out of leaded fuel by September 2019.

Post by David Leikvold » Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:09 pm

Fair point Chris, thanks for that.

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Re: Phase out of leaded fuel by September 2019.

Post by Stayt`ie » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:38 am

With the phaseing out of Avgas, what are thay running in planes ?
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Post by Cookey » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:55 pm

Avgas Ronnie ! It will become illegal to run it in anything other than licenced aircraft.
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Re: Phase out of leaded fuel by September 2019.

Post by Gus » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:50 pm

Terraplane runs on VP late model plus 113 octane leaded, our engine is 14.7 to 1, so next year will be our last year in the gas class. Our intention is to send our carbs away and get new metering plates for methanol then go through more dyno work to make sure our fuel system is up to it. The other option is to reduce compression with another set of pistons and run some sort of unleaded and make less hp, but that doesn't make any sense. Anyway thats only if we run the car another year, well see how we go in 2019 and make our minds up after that.
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Re: Phase out of leaded fuel by September 2019.

Post by DLRA » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:11 pm

I have had a good response from VP fuels and they say they are developing new fuels to provide options for all sorts of race vehicles.
I can't promise anything, but I do pass along any info that I can.
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Re: Phase out of leaded fuel by September 2019.

Post by AuotonomousRX » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:24 am

Sunoco Race Fuels Australia are also aware of the DLRA. They commented on our DLRA Facebook page discussion about this stuff.

I posted a description of my High Compression 2 Stroke specific situation and they asked me to forward that info to them. I did that and they messaged me back saying they would pass my info/comments on to their Technical Team.

I decided to use Sunoco because it was the Fuel Company that gave the most information, Octane, S.G, DC, BTU etc about their Race Fuels. I could then choose the one best suited to my very specific High Compression, 11500-12000 rpm, prolonged WOT, 2 Stroke engine.

As most of us are aware the Leaded Race Fuel "issue" has two parts to it. Here is how I am seeing it.

1. The obvious, what can those of us that rely on High Octane Leaded Race Fuel/Gasoline/Petrol (not Pump Petrol) use when those Specialised Leaded Race Fuels are no longer available. Methanol is an option for some but not all, especially if you want to stay in Gas Class. That leads us to the next part.

2. Are these substitute Unleaded Race Fuels Gas Class legal under the existing Gas Class parameters.

"The addition of compounds containing oxygen, such as ethanol, methanol and other oxygenates may produce a mixture with a D.C. (dielectric constant) greater than 15.0 as measured with a Digitron DT-64 “DC Meter” zeroed on reagent grade, pure CYCLOHEXANE. 15.0 is the current DLRA acceptable dielectric ceiling. Most gasoline will check under this ceiling." I'd say the "Most gasoline" reference is USA specific.

The "research" I have done found that most of the current Unleaded Race Fuels have varying levels of Ethanol in them to boost the Octane/Detonation Protection Properties that the Leaded Fuels had. It looks like anymore than 10% Ethanol pushes the DC over the 15.0 limit.

The highest (RO+MO/2) Octane rating for those Unleaded Gas Legal Fuels is 100 - 101, I use 112 R+M/2 Octane "Gas".

Given that, there are some decisions to be made by both the Members effected and the DLRA as a whole as far as Gas Class in our Rule Book, but at least we have time to find some solutions and from what I have read the DLRA are working on it.

Meanwhile roll on 2019 and the end of an era.

I am hoping (hands on head) to give that soft Modified - Gas - 250 Class record a good shove up the MPH scale next year.

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