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Old School Aerodynamics

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:57 pm
by internetscooter

Re: Old School Aerodynamics

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:56 pm
by RGV
Hey Paul, yep interesting outcome. Ive been using a few of his theories on my bike. ;)

Dave

Re: Old School Aerodynamics

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:39 pm
by tiggerwood
These are very interesting tutorials. I have also used some of the techniques given here on my new bike and it worked wonders.

Re: Old School Aerodynamics

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:17 am
by internetscooter
yes - there are new school lectures about but they assume you know the contents of an engineering degree to start with (lots of maths). It's good just to see it work. However note that scale models don't behave the same as the full size thing. I think the smaller you scale the model the higher you have to scale the speed to make it closer to reality.

I am currently trying to generate a teardrop shape automatically for my computer simulations. The idea is to start off with the perfect shape, then cut into it to suit the class (e.g. rider visible, nothing past rear tyre line, etc), then see how I can merge that and the original Vespa shape.

It will be interesting to see how the step through design impacts things i.e. big gap in the middle Vs no gap.

Re: Old School Aerodynamics

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:55 pm
by JonB
To get meaningful results with a model you need to get the same Reynolds number, faster airstream or higher viscosity fluid.

Hoerner's book "Fluid Dynamic Drag" has good info about openings in streamlined bodies.

jon

Re: Old School Aerodynamics

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:34 pm
by internetscooter
JonB wrote:To get meaningful results with a model you need to get the same Reynolds number, faster airstream or higher viscosity fluid.

Hoerner's book "Fluid Dynamic Drag" has good info about openings in streamlined bodies.

jon
Thanks - I can get that book in the Monash Uni library - but a review of it on Amazon pointed me towards...

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Aerodynamics of Road Vehicles: From Fluid Mechanics to Vehicle Engineering ([Proceedings] / SAE)"
Hucho, Wolf-Heinrich


The latest book is not in the library though but I could get at the previous incarnation of the book (a earlier state of research) through my Uni account and it was a very interesting read. Basically it highlighted the difference between aircraft aero and land vehicle aero.

Here's the contents of the full blown book and I have ordered it because it is pretty relevant :)

http://www.sae.org/images/books/toc_pdfs/R177.pdf

Re: Old School Aerodynamics

Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 4:01 pm
by internetscooter
The book arrived today - 918 pages! I have only got thought the first 20 pages but so far it is very good and well worth the money.

There is also a good section on motorbikes (about 40 pages). I know the DLRA rules allow an aerodynamic "hump" on leathers - I am wondering if other sorts of suit aerodynamics are allowed ;)

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Re: Old School Aerodynamics

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 9:27 am
by AuotonomousRX
I reckon someone has to put in a proposal to allow Head and Bum cones

Pete

Re: Old School Aerodynamics

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:42 am
by momec3
I understand there are already a few cone heads that have snuck through scrut...... :lol: